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This is certainly an interesting and creative idea. I'll be most interested in seeing how well it extrudes. I'm not sure I see what makes it a sure thing it'll extrude softer plastics. It well may, but softer plastics might gum up the female threads -- or something else might go wrong.
I *really* appreciate your "try many things and see which work" spirit -- and also your productivity.
Best Regards,
Larry
So, is the gear around the nut essentially free floating within the extruder/gearbox? Thank you,
No. Not at all. It has a shaft on the bottom side that fits into a HDPE bushing under it and buts up against the upper side of the housing which serves as a thrust bearing.
Nice work!
I looked at doing the same thing a week ago, but I was looking at driving a die using a belt or chain. RepRapping a gear with a nut is much better. I also had the same problem with pressing the filament against the inside of a larger nut - good solution with the filament guide.
this looks great! I'm excited to see it in action, and perhaps with a similar force measurement as Nophead's tests.
I've got to shop around and see where I can get one of those little cheap spring scales like Nophead uses. They used to be as common as dirt when I lived in the US before I left in the late 1970's but for the life of me I haven't seen one since I came back in the late 1990's.
Try a store with fishing gear. Those scales are used to weigh fish.
This looks really promising, but I am having trouble understanding the physical arrangement from the photos.
Any chance of a view from underneath, or a diagram?
Absolutely. The only reason that you don't have them right now is that I didn't have some #8 nuts to secure the filament guide tensioning system last night, so I just did a few photos to give the general idea. I plan on taking the thing completely to bits and then assembling it piece by piece and documenting the process photographically for anyone interested in working with the concept. If nothing goes wrong I'll be doing that this weekend.
Love the idea of using a nut thread to drive the fillament.
I also am a firm beliver that only common every day hand tools should be used to alter or slightly modify existing parts that are easy to buy.
So to remove all machining completely could I sugest using MK1 extruder gears they are pre drilled so can be re drill using natural effect of self centering on the existing hole. Drill a 7.5 mm hole for a 4mm nut and hammer the nut into the gear.
Here is the link to Greenweld
http://www.greenweld.co.uk/acatalog/Shop_Module1_85.html
I realy look foward to seeing your results.
Bodge..
I'd be careful about hammering things into plastic. If you aren't pretty close to a good fit with a ductile plastic like HDPE you can wind up warping the gear. If you are using a plastic like acrylic, a favourite in laser cutters, you will find that it cracks and shatters with depressing regularity when subjected to hammering or press fitting.
Great idea. Ever since you (I think) proposed using a nut instead of a threaded rod, I had been thinking that this would somehow make an ideal extrusion system. The better contact area makes it very appealing. I didn't have the experience with constructing this set of gears and bushings to make one, but you clearly do. With this example I may be able to do some laser-cut tryouts. I'd be interested in trying two epicentric holes that are fitted with (square) threaded nuts. A screw could then tension the square nuts against the filament. The nuts would each push against the filament from opposite sides. What do you think?
Okay, I wrote about the idea here: http://blog.erikdebruijn.nl/archives/96-Concept-Nutty-drive.html
Includes a conceptual diagram.
I don't see how this scheme is different from just using a single 3 mm nut. The problem, as I see it, with this approach is that nothing stops the filament from simply turning with the nut.
Could we use this as a drive mechanism using filament as a drive belt and moving it backwards and fowards thus elminating the need for belts?
I think the filament would get chewed up pretty quickly. As well, you'd need a lot of rpm to move it very fast since it moves 1.27 mm/revolution..
Have you tried using counter rotating bolts that fit snugly over the filament? I don't know if this works, but if it did, it would provide a lot more grip.
Just a thought.
I thought about using that kind of approach. The gearing needed to make a counterrotating set of M3 nuts was a little more than I wanted to cope with right then, however.
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